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Interviewer: First, I’d like to know which decade you
were born in.
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The early 1960s.
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Interviewer: Then, from 1966 to 1976, where did you live
in China?
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In Anhui Province—along the two sides of the Huai
River.
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Interviewer: What are the memories [of the Cultural
Revolution] you’d most like to share with us, the deepest memories?
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Actually, I think that at the time the Cultural Revolution
started in 1966, I’d already begun to have memories.
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Our family—you’ve started recording, right? Just like
the nation, [our family] experienced a complicated series of events, on an
epic scale.
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That is, in all, our family’s fate was closely linked to
that of the nation.
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You could say they were completely bound together.
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First, my parents had previously been in the army.
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My father had been a relatively high-ranking officer.
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Later, the army introduced my mother [to my father], and
the two of them got married.
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My mom was eight or nine years younger than my father. She
was also in the army.
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They were very happy after they got married.
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I have three older brothers, each with one year’s
difference in age between them.
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[Their names are all similar], and they’re each just one
year apart.
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After the Cultural Revolution came along, my father was
attacked.
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It’s because when serving as Communist party high
official, he’d once been held captive by the Kuomintang
[Nationalists].
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[He’d been] taken to Shangrao concentration camp.
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Shangrao, in Jiangxi [province], had a concentration camp,
a jail for the Kuomintang’s political prisoners.
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[My father] had been locked up there, and was rescued
later on.
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This period of [his] history was actually totally
innocent, but after the Cultural Revolution came along—
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[During] the Cultural Revolution, a lot of black-and-white
[issues] were turned upside-down.
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Right and wrong were totally mixed-up.
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In China’s history, the Cultural Revolution was
really—how can I put it?
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It was a disaster for our family. It was also a disaster
for all of China.
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[During] those 10 years, [China] greatly regressed.
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In those 10 years, many families fell apart.
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Some families were exterminated; husbands and wives became
enemies; children turned their backs on one another.
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Anyway, all different kinds of situations emerged.
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Our family, for instance: at the time, my father was
labeled a traitor, a historical counter-revolutionary.
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In the beginning, [he was] seized and struggled against,
[made to kneel in] “jet plane style.”
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He was struggled against every day. Later, my mom thought
this was not right.
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She believed absolutely that this was not right, so she
went to Beijing, preparing to complain to higher authorities.
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My mom’s comrade-in-arms was Liu Shaoqi’s garrison
section chief, Section Chief Ma.
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At the time, this Section Chief Ma just said, “Don’t
come here to complain now...
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...There's no use—right now, the central authorities are
in total disarray...
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...Hurry back, and first settle [your husband] down, first
protect [his] life—that’s most important.”
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My mom just rode on a coal train that night, for 18 hours;
at that time, all trains were slow; [it took] 18 hours on the coal train to
get back home.
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[She] told my uncle to send my father away that very
night.
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[She said] no matter who came to take him away, don’t
hand him over.
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I must mention that our family had a dog named Saihu.
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Previously, [my father’s] coworkers, these “uncles,”
had all been very respectful of my dad.
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But then, when they suddenly came to our house to take my
father away, the dog leapt onto them and tried to bite them.
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At the time, one of my older brothers thought, how can
this dog be so ignorant of good manners? This is “Uncle” Li,
“Uncle” Zhang, and “Uncle” Wang!
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When my dad came back home, his body had green and purple
[bruises] all over it. He just pet that dog.
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Only then did my brother understand, that dog knew those
people were bad people.
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So, at the time, under these sorts of circumstances, my
mom thought it was no good—she had to send my dad away.
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Especially after getting Section Chief Ma’s [opinion].
She got back home and sent my father away.
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[She sent my dad] back to his hometown, to the former
soldiers’ base, the place where my father had engaged in guerilla
warfare.
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The people there had pledged their lives to help one
another.
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Thankfully, at the time, technology was not as advanced as
it is today, and transportation was not as developed.
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Those people who went looking for [my father] could only
go by bicycle.
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Every time they went, the locals would let the air out of
the [bicycles’] tires.
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They said, “What issue does [that guy] have? He is the
best Communist party [official] we know...
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...[He] protected us and fought off [the Japanese].”
They had only good memories [of him].
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Actually, in the beginning, the government was quite good
to our family. My father’s rank [was high]; our family had three
nannies.
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Among them, two were wet nurses, who had breastfed my
older brothers.
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[Another] one cooked; there were three [in all]. We all
called them “second moms.”
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After my father left, a freeze on deposit bank accounts
began; wages stopped being issued. The economic situation at the time was
dire.
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My mom was resolute—[she] was such an amazing
person.
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During a family meeting, she said to the nannies, “Now,
each of you grab a hemp bag, and take anything from the house you can take.
Take it all away.”
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The nannies said, “We can’t leave you all!”
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[My mom] said, “I can’t pay you.”
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[The nannies] said, “It doesn’t matter whether you pay
us or not—we can’t leave you; you are our family.”
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My mom said, "No, you have to leave." Not only did they
have to leave, but anything from the house they could take, they should
take.
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"Perhaps in the future our family will need to depend on
you," [my mom said]. "[We] might run away to wherever you are going."
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After she sent them away, my mom had a meeting with us
kids. At the time, I was really small, maybe four or five years old.
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[My mom] said, “There are three rules: you will not
steal, you will not rob, and you will not go licking plates in
restaurants.”
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Because with nothing to eat, [people would] go to
restaurants to beg for food, and lick the plates. None of this was
allowed.
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She was really an amazing woman, an amazing mother.
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She just took us kids out to a rural village where people
had finished digging carrot, taro, and sweet
potato [红薯].
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She took us to dig again; there were still [vegetables] in
the ground that we dug up and took home to eat.
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Before, we had bought firewood and coal to burn.
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Now, we were picking firewood ourselves, collecting coal
slag—coals that people had burned, which could be collected [and burned
again].
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I remember very clearly, my old brothers would catch fish.
Each person had a net for collecting them.
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My maternal grandmother’s home was on the banks of the
Hui River; [they] had eaten fish since [they] were young.
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One day, my second eldest brother and I went to catch
fish. It was interesting.
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We took a pie. In the end, we fished until midday, but
[only caught] really small fish.
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My eldest brother would sometimes catch a big fish that
could not only be eaten, but also be sold.
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[But that day], we didn’t catch any fish. We couldn’t
bear to eat that pie.
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After midday, we suddenly caught a white fish called a
“pouting silver carp” [because its] mouth sticks out.
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We were so happy we were dancing around, overjoyed.
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Then, we divided up the pie and ate it. I feel this was a
unique memory.
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Another memory is that at the time, the rebel faction was
making trouble for a period of time; no one knew what would happen from one
minute to the next.
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There was violent struggle in the streets, bloody
fighting, [people] parading through the streets waving bloody
clothing—everything.
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I still remember carrying a basin [to buy salt].
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At the time you needed a [ration] ticket to buy salt; you
needed a [ration] ticket for everything.
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We had to be careful just leaving the house.
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The rebel faction said to my mom, “You must divorce XXX.
He is a traitor.”
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At that time, my brothers had all been forced out of
school; they weren’t allowed to go to school.
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[The rebel faction said], “If you get divorced, your
children can go to school...
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...If not, they can’t go to school, and you will not be
able to use the money you have in the bank.”
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On this point, I feel my mom was so incredible.
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I believe that no matter the circumstances, people must
not lose their resolve, their integrity, and their righteousness.
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[My mother] said, “I firmly believe comrade XXX is a
good person. You know what? He most certainly would not betray the Party
[or] the People. I will not divorce him.”
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[The rebel faction] said, “If you won’t divorce,
you’ll be sent to the ‘mass dictatorship headquarters.’”
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That was like a detention center.
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[My mother] said, “No matter where you send me, [I
won’t get a divorce].”
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At the time, the rebel faction of my mom’s work unit was
also thinking of ways to torment her.
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[They] held a struggle meeting and told her, “You must
divorce him! If you do not do so--”
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At that time, we lived in a basement. As soon as it
started raining, water would come into the room, so we couldn’t live
there.
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So, we moved upstairs to a [room] that was like a
propaganda office.
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There was a cabinet in there that had Chairman Mao
portraits and all kinds of propaganda pictures in it. But the glass door
[of the room] was broken.
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When it rained, my mom would move that cabinet over to
block the rain.
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As a result, [her work unit’s rebel faction] seized upon
this mistake, saying, “How can you use this to block the rain—what kind
of character issue is this?!...
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...If the Chairman’s portrait were to fall on the
ground, and people stepped on it, this is opposition to Chairman
Mao!”
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Back then, groundless [accusations] were quite common.
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One of my second eldest brother’s classmates, a little
kid, an elementary school student we called Black Hair was once walking on
the street carrying a bamboo pole.
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The Chairman’s portraits and statues were all along the
street. [This boy] wasn’t careful, and his pole jabbed Chairman Mao’s
eye.
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As a result, he [was labeled] an [active]
counter-revolutionary.
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Turned into a little counter-revolutionary, and sent to
the “mass dictatorship headquarters.”
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His younger brother took food to him for a long time. At
that time, no one could speak of reason.
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I remember, when I was in fourth grade, our class had a
kid named XXX.
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Kids sometimes have rebellious minds. [People] kept
telling him to yell, “Long live Chairman Mao! Long live Chairman
Mao!”
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To be contrary, he wrote, “Down with Chairman Mao” in
the restroom.
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So, the Public Safety Bureau checked [to see who’d done
it] and found out it was [him].
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Later, a small rebel group was organized to criticize
him.
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I still remember my line at the time: “XXX, you who have
never seen the circumstances of revolution,...
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...whose mind has been captivated by the lies of Liu
Shaoqi and other swindlers, you have maliciously attacked our great leader
Chairman Mao.”
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That was a completely crazy era. People were all
crazy.
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Our family’s [life] became more and more difficult. The
rebel faction came every day to look for my dad.
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[When] they couldn’t find him, they beat up my brothers.
That dog—that is, Saihu—the same [name] as my dog today—would jump up
and bite them.
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Later on, they had Saihu killed. I clearly remember, on
that day my maternal grandmother and I saw it out the window.
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Saihu was such a good dog. [During] the Cultural
Revolution, my mom was sent to sell tickets at the movie theater.
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You know, she sold tickets at the movie theater; when the
movie ended, it was quite late at night before she could leave, 10
o’clock.
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It was dark, and she had to walk a long route to get home.
In the middle [of her route] was a bridge.
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Saihu would always wait under the bridge. When my mom came
along, he’d run up, and accompany her on the second half of the
route.
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But during the Cultural Revolution, the rebel faction
strangled Saihu.
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My brothers have written a couple of books about this dog,
Saihu, an incredibly good dog.
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My mother passed away in 2006. Later [after the Cultural
Revolution] she was a judge. She was a person with a strong sense of
justice.
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Later she retired, and passed away.
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After the funeral, my siblings and I—eight of us—sat
and talked with my maternal uncle, who was also a high official in the army
who after retirement served as Chief of the Foreign Trade Bureau.
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[I] said I thought my mom was an incredible person, a
great mother.
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So many people, so many families fell apart during the
Cultural Revolution, [yet] she was loyal to my father.
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[Every] two years, our family was [made to move from one
place to another].
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She [said] we must be together; a family must not be
separated. That was the first thing.
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The second thing was that we were not only in good
physical health, [but also had a good future].
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In the latter stage of the Cultural Revolution, my dad was
safe, and could come out [of hiding].
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All of my older brothers passed the university entrance
exams to study medicine and law, but they were not [allowed to attend
university].
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[This is because] it was said [our father] was a
historical counter-revolutionary, a traitor.
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[They] also weren’t allowed to serve in the
military.
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Later, after my dad was rehabilitated, my brothers retook
the university entrance exam.
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Though it was quite late, they all graduated from
university.
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All eight of us siblings are university graduates;
what’s more, we all have very good work positions.
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As my little brother said, “We are all like little
stars; we all have our own piece of sky, and shine our own light.”
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All of this is because we had an absolutely amazing
mother.
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I remember, at the time when we could not live in the
Cultural and Education Bureau residence compound,...
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...we first moved to an old woman’s [home] in the
suburbs, a small room that could only fit one bed.
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[We] stayed two or three nights and moved again; it
wasn’t safe.
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At the time we [already had] six kids in the
family—whose family could support that many?
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Later on, my mom separated us, [sending] one child each to
relatives in the east, the west, one each to friends and relatives here and
there.
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At the time, I [lived] in a rural village with an older
sister. Actually, she was [a daughter] of my father’s first wife.
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My father’s marriage to his first wife was arranged by
their families, and his first wife died later.
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That sister and her husband had their own children by that
time, as far as I remember. I stayed in their home for a period of
time.
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I remember one evening, my mom came to see me. We were
making dumplings to eat that night.
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Now, when think of that evening, I just think of an oil
lamp. There were no electric lights, just an oil lamp, this small.
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My sister’s husband sat across from me; I don’t know
what joke he was telling, but he laughed until his nose was running and his
eyes teared up.
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[I] felt it was so warm and cozy, in the dark with this
tiny oil lamp, so cozy, so happy.
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That night, my mom slept together with me. The next
morning, when I got up, my mom was already gone.
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She had gone to see another of her kids. She had to move
around very early in the morning or late at the night, for fear others
would see her.
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[If] someone else saw her, [that person] might follow her
tracks and find everyone, find the other kids, find my dad.
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The important thing was protecting my dad.
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I remember, when we sent my father to where my older
brother was, it was a pitch-black night.
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[We walked with] two of us in front, two in back, and two
in the middle, to protect my dad.
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That was a respect and love for our parents that came from
the heart. I feel a regret that today’s kids seem to lack this
characteristic.
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At the time, the streets were filled with Wanted posters,
orders to arrest my dad. We just went and tore them all down.
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Interviewer: Was it night time when you went to tear them
down?
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Yes, of course it was early in the morning, or at night,
when people wouldn’t see us.
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A lot of the time my father didn't reveal [his emotions],
but my mom’s respect for him, in that kind of era--
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Up until the latter part [of the Cultural Revolution],
[although] he was safe, the [label] of traitor hadn’t yet been removed,
nor had the [label] of “historical counter-revolutionary.”
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Though [he] was safe, he still always had this [label].
But my mom’s reverence for him [never wavered] at the time.
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For example, today scrambled egg is an incredibly simple
dish, but at the time there was no way to let every person eat scrambled
egg.
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So, in our family, my father always ate first—fried meat
floss, scrambled egg—my father would eat first. That was his position in
the family.
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After he finished, the kids would eat.
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But on the other hand, my mom was really pretty.
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She was pretty, and very capable. For her to respect my
father so much was not unreasonable.
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My father had attended private school….[Am I saying] too
much?
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Interviewer: No, not at all. I just want to record their
photographs.
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In his childhood, my father attended private school; he
was quite well-educated.
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In the winter, our family would sit around him on the bed
while he told us [stories from] Romance of the
Three Kingdoms, Journey to
the West, and Water
Margin.
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He'd talk about a lot of books from ancient Chinese
history.
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So today, my siblings all write very well, one better than
the next.
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My eldest brother is a lawyer who has his own law
firm.
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My second-eldest brother is chief editor of a newspaper in
Huaibei; [he] publishes things all over the world.
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My third-eldest brother has also published quite a few
books, [and] served as head of the Propaganda Department...
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...[and] as bureau chief of the State Administration of
Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television.
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My youngest brother has served as head of a new high-tech
industrial development zone.
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I studied English for my bachelor's degree, and economics
for my Master's.
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[Our] writing skills have a relationship to [our] father's
influence in [our] childhood.
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Another thing: I think my father was an amazing
person.
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[Sometime] between 1974 and 1976, [when] my father had not
yet been rehabilitated, he was demoted to serve as head of an orchard.
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At the time, the Educated Youth [who had been working at]
the orchard had all fled back to Shanghai.
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Because no one was left, [My father] went to Shanghai to
find them and bring them back, one by one.
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[Starting to] "grasp revolution, promote production," [my
father] reestablished the orchard, and it really flourished.
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However, at the time [my father] still had the [label] of
traitor, of historical counter-revolutionary.
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I was in junior high at the time. As a child, my
personality was pretty wild.
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Since my parents were busy appealing to higher authorities
all day, they didn't supervise us; [we] were used to freedom.
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I remember one day, I was playing with a bunch of male
friends, we were good friends, [and] one kid said, "Your father is a
traitor!"
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Maybe he just thought this was fun, but in an instant, my
ego couldn't take it.
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I just hit that boy once and went home, feeling
unhappy.
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Feeling upset, I went to make trouble for my older sister.
It was unreasonable.
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As a result, my father said, "How could you be this way
toward your sister?"
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He lifted his hand, as if he were going to hit me, but
actually it was just to scare me.
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At the time, I felt deeply wronged. I said, "Are you a
good guy or a bad guy after all?!"
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That's what I said to my dad. I'd seen him raise his hand,
his face twitching a bit, and his heart must have hurt so much.
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He didn't say a word then; his hand just froze [in the
air]. It was like he'd been defeated.
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That evening, we went for a walk in the orchard. [My
father] said, "Look, you all, it's dark outside, but the stars are still
shining."
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He said, "You may not believe in me, you may doubt me, but
you may not doubt the Communist Party."
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Can you imagine? [He] had suffered so many injustices, so
much torment; his wages has been stopped.
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At the time, the family was really torn apart, with him
over there, us over here, over there—a family separated into so many
different places.
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Later on, we'd been able to reunite, but then he was
demoted and we were sent [to the orchard].
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He still had the [negative label]; his children still
didn't understand him.
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However, he could still make this kind of statement, which
[showed] an old Communist Party member's firm belief in the Communist
Party.
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That is, [he meant that] the true Communist Party was
good,...
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...[but] individual people, including the corrupt [Party
members] of today, may be Communist Party [members] in name,...
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...but they do not represent the genuine Communist Party.
Like in a church; I used to think a clergyman stood for a church, for
God.
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Actually, a clergyman doesn't represent the church, and
doesn't represent God; he only represents himself.
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Like some bureau chiefs, whatever chiefs, they're also
Communist Party [members], but their behavior smears the Communist
Party—yet this doesn't mean all Communist Party [members] are bad.
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Saying this is easy, [but] truly understanding it...I feel
I've had a profound experience and understanding of this.
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Because back in that era, a Communist Party member, [my
father], experienced so much torment,...
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...[such as] fleeing from persecution for so many years,
[then] finally being able to come back, yet not being rehabilitated
yet.
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His own parents were murdered by the Japanese; I never met
my paternal grandparents.
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[My father] experienced war all around him; [he] fought
the Japanese, fought the Kuomintang [Nationalists],...
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...never worrying about his own gains and losses.
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Later on, after he was rehabilitated in 1979, he [was
asked to] serve as head of the Provincial Party Committee organization
department,...
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...[but] he said, "I don't need to. I'm already old."
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[He] was already over 60, probably.
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He said, "Let a young person do it." You see, [he was] a
pure Communist Party member.
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[My father] stayed at [my mother’s third eldest
brother’s house] for a while.
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During the Cultural Revolution, this maternal uncle and
aunt would've died to protect my dad.
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The rebel faction went to their town and said, "You must
hand him over! He's a traitor...
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...[If you don't hand him over] it'll negatively affect
your family."
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[My maternal aunt] grabbed a knife and said, "I'll fight
to the death with anyone who dares come to my home!"
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Interviewer: Your maternal aunt?
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Right, my maternal aunt.
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Back then, I heard my maternal aunt say that one day my
dad went out carrying a knife—actually, he wanted to commit suicide.
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He couldn’t get over it, couldn't stand it, and didn't
want to involve [my aunt and uncle] in it.
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In the end, my aunt discovered [what he was doing]. [My
father] said, "I don't want to involve you in this."
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Because back then, there really was no justice in the
world; you never knew if one day...
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From the nation's second-in-command, Liu Shaoqi, [to
leaders like] Deng Xiaoping [and] Peng Dehuai,...
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