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"Long live Chairman Mao; good health to Vice Chairman Lin!": Vivid Memories from the Countryside

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Interviewer: Thank you for accepting my interview.

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You’re welcome.

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Interviewer: Were you born in the 1940s, ‘50s, or
‘60s?

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I was born in the ‘50s.

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Interviewer: Where were you living in China between 1966
and 1976?

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I lived in Jing County of Hebei Province.

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Interviewer: Is it a town or a rural area?

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It’s a rural area.

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Interviewer: I see. You were about ten years old at that
time – anyway, old enough to remember things that happened.

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Yes, I remember things.

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Interviewer: If we give you about ten minutes, could you
tell us about the things you remember?

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I will try my best.

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Interviewer: Sure, give it a try. Go ahead.

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The first time I heard of Culture Revolution,

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grown-ups were talking about the "rough outline" and "fine
outline". I did not understand.

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Later, when the Cultural Revolution started, China split
into two-party struggle, right?

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Interviewer: I've heard of that – two-party
[struggle].

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In my neighborhood, I think there was one party called the
“Red Union,”

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Interviewer: Oh, "Red Union."

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-and its counterpart was called “520” – probably
because it was founded on May 12th [20th].

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Interviewer: Ah, 520.

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Right. Because I was young, the saddest thing in my mind
was my failure to become a Little Red Guard.

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Interviewer: Why did you fail to be a Little Red
Guard?

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Because our family were "middle peasants".

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Interviewer: Oh, a social status problem.

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Right. Children of “poor and lower-middle peasants”
and “farmworkers” got priority in becoming Little Red Guards.

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I thought I genuinely loved Chairman Mao, and often yelled
out the slogan “Long live Chairman Mao.”

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At the time I really regretted not being a Little Red
Guard.

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I cried every time I saw others wearing the red
armband.

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Why did I cry? Because I didn't get to be a Little Red
Guard.

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Later I thought, forget it, one day I will have the chance
to be a Red Guard.

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However, only middle school students could be Red
Guards.

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I failed to go to middle school.

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I only had schooling for four years and three months,
before I dropped out.

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Interviewer: Why did you drop out? Was it for this same
reason [being a child of “middle peasants”]?

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No. I could go to school in our village from first through
fourth grade.

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But after that, I had to go to another village for
school.

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If I went, my family’s pigs and sheep would have no one
to feed them.

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I was always in charge of cutting grass to feed to the
pigs and sheep.

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As a result, I only managed to do three months [of grade
5]

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before my parents kept me from continuing.

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Interviewer: Your family didn’t support you going to
school?

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Right. I needed to stay at home, cutting grass, feeding
pigs and sheep,

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and cooking. I did all the housework.

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Interviewer: How many brothers and sisters do you
have?

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I have four older brothers. I am the only girl.

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Interviewer: There's just one girl?

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Right. Among the four older brothers, only my third
brother continued going to school.

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Interviewer: They all worked?

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Yes. My third brother was very good at school; his grades
were the best in the whole county.

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In order for him to continue going to school, the other
brothers all stayed at home to work, just like me.

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Interviewer: Did your family own the pigs and sheep?

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[Yes.] We also had chickens. One pig, one sheep, and a few
chickens—they were our “family bank.”

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Interviewer: So they were your family’s alone—they
didn’t belong to the production team?

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No, they didn’t. Selling them each year before Lunar New
Year meant money.

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At that time, working at the production team only earned
“work points” and some food, not money,

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because people were poor back then. Work points were as
good as money to them.

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Another thing I remember well was working in the farmland
every day after I turned 11.

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I thought it was fun. Every day I held the red flag and
went to the farmland to work.

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Interviewer: Oh, carried a red flag?

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Yes! The militia company leader held a red flag.

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We did not have the right to hold red flags, because we
were “middle peasants.”

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The militia company leader or the political instructor
held the red flag when heading to work in the fields.

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After arriving in the fields, we stuck the red flags in
the ground,

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and everyone stood together and sang “The East is Red"
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Interviewer: You all sang "The East is Red".

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We all sang "The East is Red,"

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and then said, “Long live Chairman Mao; good health to
Vice Chairman Lin!”

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Interviewer: Your memories are so clear!

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Yes. After we finished farm work [for the day],

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we would sing “Sailing the Seas Depends on the
Helmsman” together.

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Interviewer: That was the song for finishing work.

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Right. We finally went home, and [we] had to gather
firewood, make a fire, cook dinner –

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but we still couldn't eat just yet.

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Before we ate, we stood and bowed three times in front of
Chairman Mao’s portrait,

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[and said], “Great Leader Chairman Mao, it is you who
gives us happy lives and food to eat.

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Many thanks to our Great Leader Chairman Mao.”

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Interviewer: Who led you to do this?

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My mom.

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Interviewer: Did your mom lead a group of people in doing
this?

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[Yes.] If we didn’t do this, and we were seen by the
neighbors,

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the next day we’d be the ones being struggled
against.

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Rural villagers like carrying their supper dishes,

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eating dinner while they go from house to house visiting
each other.

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If [other villagers] saw [we] did not acknowledge Chairman
Mao [before meals],

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it would be a huge problem.

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The next day we would have been struggled against in the
“cow shed.”

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At that time, the production team was too poor to have its
own office.

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Collective activities were all held in “cow
sheds.”

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Every night after dinner, when the bell tolled,

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every one needed to go to the "cow shed" for a
meeting.

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Someone – I'm not sure if it was the team leader or the
secretary --

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read newspapers out loud.

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Then, the struggle started against the landlords and the
rich peasants,

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the so-called "five black categories," in the village, one
after another.

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Some landlords were even beaten.

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I saw adults beat them and wondered, “Why are you
beating them?

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They look really nice.” But I didn’t dare speak
up.

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There was one time that I was almost involved.

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There was an old woman in my neighborhood, a wealthy
peasant.

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She had a good relationship with our family, even during
the Cultural Revolution period.

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The old woman was illiterate.

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Although I had only a four-year-and-three-month
education,

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I was one of the most highly-educated people in our
village.

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During struggle meetings, the person struggled against had
to wear a pointed paper hat,

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which was made of dry straw and paste and had insulting
things written on it,

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such as “I was a landlady; I was...; etc.”

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The old woman did not know how to write, so she let me
help her.

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Interviewer: Oh, she had you write it.

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[Yes.] After I had written, I stuck the hat together. I
remember this so well.

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I helped her be struggled against by making this hat.

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The paper hat that I made for her was the most
technically-demanding thing I did [in those years of the Cultural
Revolution].

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After I turned 16, I thought I could be a militia
woman.

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Back then there were a lot of movies about militia women.
Chairman Mao said [in a poem],

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“Valiant and heroic in bearing, with rifles five-foot
long / They stand on the parade ground bathed in the morning glow /

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In China how unique and lofty are the ideals of the young
/ Who love battle array instead of gay attire in show” [Gu, 2010].

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I thought I could finally be a militia member.

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I hadn't been able to be a Red Guard, but I could join the
militia.

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However, I was not distributed a gun, due to my social
status as a “middle peasant” child.

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Interviewer: Again, it was a social status problem.

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Right. I was still a “middle peasant.”

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Only children from “poor and lower-middle peasant”
families could be given guns to protect Chairman Mao.

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Interviewer: Were they real guns?

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Yes, real guns.

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Everybody else got bullets, and got to lie on the ground
and shoot targets.

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I didn’t get to touch the guns.

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Feeling disappointed, I went back home and asked my
parents,

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“Why are you ‘middle peasants’?!”

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My mom said, “Being a “middle peasant” has already
been good for you.

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We could have been a landlord family.”

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So I asked her, “Why would we have been a landlord
family?”

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She told me, “Back when your grandmother was trying to
marry off your aunt,

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a bandit had a crush on your aunt and stole her away.

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He robbed our family of everything we had.

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If he hadn’t stolen everything,

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and if we hadn’t had to sell off our houses and land
[because of it],

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we would have been a wealthy peasant family!”

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After that, I was not so upset. How fortunate that we were
not wealthy peasants!

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Otherwise, we would have to wear those pointy hats to be
struggled against sometimes,

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and maybe we would’ve been beaten as well.

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[With this thought in mind,] I no longer felt
miserable

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about not being able to join the Red Guards or the
militia.

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Interviewer: You were no longer so sad about it.

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Right. I got over it.

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Interviewer: When did you leave the village?

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When I was 18, because the art troupe in Jing County was
recruiting.

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I sang very well.

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Interviewer: You have a very good voice.

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Not right now. I have pharyngitis.

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I was admitted because of my good voice and singing
skills.

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At that time there was still no TV.

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There was an art troupe in Jing County,

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the performers dragged the carts of props to the
countryside.

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We mostly performed short plays related to Chairman
Mao.

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The art troupe had three carts,

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all the performers dragged the carts that were loaded with
props to the countryside.

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Interviewer: Did you perform in model dramas?

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Yes.

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Interviewer: Which roles did you perform?

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Interviewer: Did you play [the role of] Tie Mei?

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No, I was a singer.

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The opera singers performed in model dramas such as Shajia
Creek, Red Lantern, and Azalea Mountain.

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[I] usually performed in short operas, [in different
styles]

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such as Shandong liuqin, Laiwu clapper, Hebei clapper, and
ping ju.

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Writers put them together on the spot, to relate to the
Cultural Revolution.

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Interviewer: You remember them so clearly. So many
details.

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I remember that my family was poor at that time.

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Every time I wanted to buy a pen or notebook, I had to
trade an egg for it.

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At that time, whenever we bought something, we each had to
first say one of these lines from Quotations from Chairman Mao.

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The moment I arrived at the store, I said, “Serve the
people.”

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And the salesman/saleswoman responded, “Through and
through.”

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After that, I gave him/her the egg, and he/she gave me the
notebook.

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Interviewer: Did you feel it was funny?

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No, it was very serious, and appropriate –

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if you laughed, that would show disrespect to Chairman
Mao, and then what would you do?

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That would bring a lot of trouble.

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[I’d say,] “The core force to lead our
enterprise,”

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and [the salesperson] had to chime in, “is the Chinese
Communist Party.”

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And then he/she would sell the thing to you.

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That's it! If you failed to say it, that was not okay.

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There was something more disgusting.

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At night, we'd meet and sing in the "cow shed":

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“The sky is large, the land is large, [but] not as large
as the Party’s kindness. /

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The father is close, the mother is close, [but] not as
close as Chairman Mao. /

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All the good things are not as good as socialism.”

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There was a song like that, right?

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Interviewer: Yes, right.

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There was one idiot who sang,

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“The father is close, the mother is close, [but] not as
close as my wife.”

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It was so bad.

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If Chairman Mao is the closest, then how can your wife
compete?

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People just wouldn’t let it go.

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Really, there were so many things like this.

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-I also remember the incident concerning the Chairman Mao
portrait badge.

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The child [involved] was just a few years older than
me.

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This girl was about 17 or 18 years old.

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At that time, people wore the Chairman Mao badge on the
left side of the chest,

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close to the heart.

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Someone snatched her badge from her, and it tore her
clothes.

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Her father scolded her because of this. And then, this
naive girl reported him to the militia company leader,

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who discussed it with the political instructor.

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As a result, her father was struggled against and
convicted as an active counter-revolutionary.

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The struggle lasted for about two months, before her
father was sentenced to death.

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Later he was shot. The girl lost her mind.

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This is the most tragic event in my memories.

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Interviewer: Did this happen in your village?

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No, it happened in the neighboring village.

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The guy who sang, “The father is close, the mother is
close,

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[but] not as close as my wife” was from our village.

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Interviewer: Thank you very much.