Lazur, Ann, May 12, 1976, tape 1, side 1

Jim Barrett: Today I'm talking with Mrs. Ann Lazur 164 Maple Drive, Munhall Lazur: Maple Dale Drive. Barrett: Sorry. Maple Dale Drive. Thanks. And what's your ethnic background? Lazure: You mean, what were my parents?

Ann Lazur [Lazur]: My parents came from Czechoslovakia. Barrett: Okay. [long pause]

Barrett: And what was your maiden name?

Lazur: Svoboda. S-V-O-B-O-D-A.

Barrett: But were you born in the United States? Lazur: Yes, I was, uh huh. Barrett: And were you born in Homestead? Lazur: No.

Lazur: Universal, VA.

Barrett: And did you while you were growing up, did you speak Slovak at all or just English?

Lazur: I do. I can still speak. Okay.

Barrett: What did your dad do?

Lazur: Well, he was a coal miner, I guess, the most part of his life.

Barrett: And then when did you end up coming to Homestead?

Lazur: Then when I got married 35 years ago, I guess.

Barrett: Okay. And when you came to the Pittsburgh area, was Homestead the first place you came to then?

Lazur: No, I worked. What's the first place I lived? But I worked in town for

Barrett: awhile. Barrett: In Pittsburgh? Lazur: Yes. Barrett: And were you married at that time, or were you living.. Lazur: No, not when

Lazur: I first worked in town.

Barrett: What did you do in Pittsburgh?

Lazur: Oh, when times were bad, I cooked. Then later I worked for when I did come to Homestead. I worked for the Navy Department, Naval inspector. But I worked out of Rankin.

Barrett: What kind of work was that? Because I'm not familiar with it.

Lazur: Oh, we used to-- They used to make all kinds of-- It was Atchison's in Rankin. They made all kinds of fittings for, you know, like T's and elbows for the Navy and Army.

Barrett: So then were you expecting-- inspecting parts?

Lazur: Yeah, we'd inspect the parts and then we would send them out to the different naval yards and whoever, you know, ordered them.

Barrett: Was that during the war? Lazure: Yeah, during the Second World War. Mhm. Barrett: And did you work at that until the war ended then or...

Lazur: I worked at that till I got pregnant and then I quit.

Barrett: And since then you haven't worked.

Lazur: No. As a housewife since then. Barrett: Okay.

Barrett: Um, what did your husband do when he was working?

Lazur: Well, he's at work for the railroad.

Barrett: And did he.. did he come to Homestead to do that, or...

Lazur: Well, I guess he started in Homestead. Yeah. After he got through school. He started in Homestead and he was in service for a while. About four years, I guess.

Barrett: And were his mom and dad from Homestead, or did he come here?

Lazur: Well, yeah, they were from, I guess from-- they're Slovak. They'd come from Austria-Hungary, I guess at that time was under this Slovak or something. But they lived here since he was born.

Barrett: So.

Barrett: So he was born in.

Lazur: He was born in Dravosburg, you know, in not far from here. Barrett: Mm. Lazur: Then I guess he was about 11 years old or so when they moved to Homestead. West Homestead and then Homestead.

Barrett: Um, can you or would you want to tell me anything about politics or religion? You know what-- What your, uh-- I mean, if you're a Democrat or Republican.

Lazur: Oh, we're both Democrats, and we're Greek Catholic.

Barrett: Greek Catholic. Okay. I'm I... I'm from Chicago and I was raised in a Slovak parish, but it was Roman Catholic. And I never-- I just talked to another lady yesterday that's Greek Catholic.

Lazur: And I have some friends live near Chicago. Cicero. Barrett: Yeah, I

Barrett: know Cicero. Lazur: North River?

North River is it? Barrett: North

Lazur: Yeah. North Riverside. Barrett: That's the area. Lazur: And someone have a couple that live right there. My daughter lives in Wisconsin, not far from about an hour's drive to Chicago.

Barrett: There's a pretty big, you know, Slovak settlement in Chicago. Cicero is one of the places where there's a lot, but I didn't realize that--.

Lazur: Mostly Czechoslovakian, Yeah.

Barrett: Well, this is what I was going to ask because I talked to a lady in, um, Munhall yesterday, um, who's also Greek, Greek Catholic. And, uh, I didn't realize that there were people from Czechoslovakia that were, that were Greek Catholic. I thought everybody was... Lazur: Oh, no, I

Lazur: was Roman Catholic to begin with, but I changed over and go to my husband's church whenever I got married.

Barrett: Uh huh.

Barrett: When, um, if-- if you don't mind. That's something I'd like to ask you about, because one of the things that we were interested in finding out is, um, how big a thing it was for somebody to marry somebody, like from a different religion or from a different ethnic background.

Lazur: Well, it wasn't--. I mean, the Greek, the Roman and the Catholic, they're about the same. Most of the prayers and everything are about the same, except the Roman Catholics are under the pope. And, uh-- and the Greek Catholics have their own pope. Pope, I guess from Constantinople.

Barrett: Yeah. When? When you married your husband, did you did your mom-- were your mom and dad at all upset about it or anything? Lazur: No. No. Barrett: Do you know from your experience whether it was, uh, uh, common say, um, I don't know what to give is a good example, but maybe somebody that was Polish Catholic to marry somebody that was Slovak Catholic.

Lazur: Well, see, my husband's folks are Slovak, and we're Czechoslovakian. There's just a little some of the phrases are maybe a little different, but I got so I could speak with his mother and all.

Barrett: So do you think that the fact that, uh, you could talk with her kind of help the situation? I mean, what if you just spoke Polish and, uh--.

Lazur: Well, she spoke some English. She could understand, you know, not fluently, but she could understand.

Barrett: Can you remember, um, like when...when young people, uh, got together here, if, um, uh, say, dances and things like that were pretty mixed, like Polish and...

Lazur: Oh, yeah. I remember as a child, we. I lived. I came from a little mining town. It was called Curtisville. And we used to have picnics every Sunday night and go to polkas, Saturday night polkas, you know.

Barrett: And that, that got that was...

Lazur: Pretty much all. We lived in a neighborhood. It was every denomination, every religion, every, uh, language you can possibly think of. It was all mixed together.

Barrett: Well, what happened to anything like that? I mean, did, uh-- Especially if-- if some people couldn't speak English well yet, I mean, did-- did you end up with, like, a little group speaking Slovak and a little group speaking Polish or...

Lazur: Well, you got So you learned a little a few words in each language, you know. Barrett: Yeah. Lazur: Or else they had children that could translate for them.

Barrett: Because I, I learned my prayers in Slovak, but I never got any farther than that. So I couldn't really talk to anybody. And how...

Lazur: Talk Slovak at all and..or do you understand it?

Barrett: Well, no, I don't really. I mean, I, I know, um, uh, the prayers that I was saying, I know what they mean, but that's just because I know them in English, too. And my family's not Slovak. Uh, in your family, how many kids were there?

Lazur: I had two brothers and two sisters and myself.

Barrett: What did... What happened with them? Did they end up coming here or did they go someplace else?

Lazur: Oh, my sister was raised in Europe with my grandmother. When my parents first come over, she stayed over there and she come over when she was about 16. And then I guess when she was about 22 or 23, she had worked here and saved her money. And she went back over for a trip... Barrett: Really? Lazur: ... and got married over there and brought her husband here. And my brother, I guess he was maybe just about, uh, I don't know was 4 or 5 when he came over, my oldest brother. And the rest of us were born here.

Barrett: So when your mom and dad came, they brought... they brought they...

Lazur: They left the oldest daughter there and they brought the oldest boy.

Barrett: When your sister went back to, um, Europe, did she talk at all about, uh, I mean, do you... do you know how she felt about going back to Europe or anything?

Lazur: Oh, yeah, see, well, she she was raised there until she was 16. And I guess she was anxious to see a grandmother and all the friends and all and people she grew up with.

Barrett: But then she still ended up coming back to the United States.

Lazur: Oh, yeah, she just had a visa you know, for so long.

Speaker3: Uh huh.

Barrett: Have you do you ever feel like you would like to go and... And, uh... Lazur: Visit? Barrett: Yeah.

Lazur: Oh, yeah. I'd like to do a lot of things, but I guess I won't be able to.

Barrett: I know what you mean.

Lazur: My husband can't travel now, and, uh, I, uh. I'd like to go over and visit in Europe.

Barrett: Do people do it sometimes? I mean... Lazur: Oh, yeah.

Lazur: There's a lot of people. I have a lot of Slovak friends that have gone over, you know, on trips and... Barrett: Yeah. Lazur: And my husband's, um... Some friends he knows went over on their hunt for their honeymoon.

Mhm.

Barrett: I think, uh, there seems to have been... Lazur: In fact, I know

Lazur: a boy now that's taking history, and uh...

Lazur: at Pitt and he's going over to Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia. Barrett: Really? Lazur: Yeah.

Barrett: What's his name? Because I might... Lazur: Miller.

Lazur: Robert Miller. Do you know.. Barrett: I don't think I do. Lazur: He graduated this year from Pitt.

Barrett: Is he going to go on studying history?

Lazur: Yeah, he's going to go to, uh, Champaign, Illinois, at the university out there. And he's going to he's going to work on his master's. And I guess he wants to continue with his doctorate.

Barrett: So he's interested in East European history. Lazur: Yeah. Barrett: Oh, that's good. Can you remember what your mom's life was like? I mean, uh, did she just work at home, or did she work?

Lazur: Yeah, she worked. She worked just at home. And, uh, we had a farm. A lot of farm work, a lot of hard work. We had some cows and raised our own chickens. Barrett: While your

Barrett: dad was mining?

Lazur: Yeah. Yeah.

Barrett: Then what if your dad was mining? Did-- can you remember if your mom and the kids ended up doing most of the work on the farm? Or did your dad have to do both or.

Lazur: Oh, yeah, we all had to work, pitch in, you know, go out and weed and do stuff around the house.

Barrett: What did you do with what you raised? Did they sell any of that or did they? Lazur: Well, we

used it mostly for our own use. Some of it we sold, very little.

Barrett: Yeah.

Barrett: Did your dad ever I mean, like if you got laid off or something, work on the farm and...

Lazur: Oh yeah, he worked-- Well, I mean, he'd go out and work before he went to work. And then when he'd come home, he'd get cleaned up and get cleaned up and eat and go back out. He really worked hard.

Barrett: Yeah.

Lazur: We all worked hard, as I remember.

Barrett: Yeah, I can imagine. It must have been pretty hard. I can't picture a guy having to work all day in a mine and also working on the farm.

Lazur: Oh, yeah. We all had to work hard. It's a hard life on the farm.

Speaker3: Yeah.

Lazur: We walked to school about a mile. We walked home for lunch.

Barrett: Well, how about this? How did you-- When your mom and dad came over, how did they end up in that little town with a farm and everything? And. I mean, what-- What was the connection, do you know?

Lazur: Yeah. We lived like we lived in a company house. You know, like they supplied houses for all the workers. Barrett: Uh huh. Lazur: And I guess there was such a corruption between us kids always fighting and that. And so I guess when they saved up the little bit of money, they bought this farm just to get away from all that tension and fighting.

Barrett: They didn't like the company housing too much then.

Lazur: Well, it was small. Most of them was like 3 or 4 rooms. And, uh. And, uh, my dad always liked farming.

Barrett: Did he do-- Did he do any of that in, uh, Czechoslovakia?

Lazur: Well, I guess out there, most of them raised their own stuff, you know, or worked. I don't know just what he did. I think they worked with Clay. Clay that they made dishes out of. Yeah, and I could hear him talking about that.

Barrett: Huh.

Barrett: So then he probably in the old country, he wasn't just doing farming. He did a little industrial work. Yeah. Yeah. Was that. Do you know anything about the town that your mom and dad came from?

Lazur: Yeah. They talk about Prague and, uh, Czerny Kosterlitz and all around there.

Barrett: They came from a smaller town, but they. They went into the bigger towns. And did. Did your dad work in one of the larger towns?

Lazur: I don't recall that.

Barrett: What about the, um-- time period for this kind of stuff. When would you have been, you know, living with your dad when he was a minor? Would that be like the 20s?

Lazur: Well, I was born. He lived in Universal before he was miner. He worked in where they made cement. Universal cement from rotten. Universal. Pa He worked there and then he got a job out in Curtisville. It was like three mining towns together. And I guess I must have been about 6 or 7 years old. I think I started in the second grade when we moved to this mining town.

Barrett: And what what year were you born?

Lazur: 1914.

Speaker3: Okay.

Barrett: Can you remember? See, this is the kind of stuff I should know, but I can't remember the dates for it very well. But can you remember any kind of union activity among miners?

Lazur: Oh, yeah. They had. They well, I don't know if they had unions then way back, but I remember them going on strike every April. Barrett: Every

April. Lazur: Every

April. Without a doubt. And I remember us kids would stand on the corner. They would get these cabs in from West Virginia and we'd yell at them scabs. They went by and the poor miners, you know, I mean, they'd be on strike for a couple of months. And they had a company store and they would run up maybe a bill for 6, $700, you know. And of course, when they went back to work, by the time they paid that off, there was another strike. Yeah, it was real hardship, you know.

Barrett: Well, when that kind of thing happened, uh, and when they when they tried to bring these guys in from West Virginia, did the whole community kind of come together to, you know, uh, to yell at the guys and everything or...

Lazur: Well, I know us kids would stand down there and I guess they had meetings, you know, at the union. They had a union hall would have meetings and settle their differences or whatever they did. Yeah, I was quite small, you know. I remember then.

Speaker3: Yeah.

Barrett: It sounds like they had a set wages like every year, you know. Lazur: Yeah, every

Lazur: year they would renew their contract.

was a strike. Lazur: Back in those days. I don't know what they called it.

Barrett: No, that's that's right. I think it's still it. Can you remember? Um...

Speaker3: Oh, I.

Lazur: Remember one time they even, uh... we even had to move out of the houses and they built, uh, a lot of, uh, like, barracks.

Barrett: Did the union build this stuff?

Lazur: I don't know who built it, but we-- I remember we had to move into them.

Speaker3: Yeah.

Barrett: Because it sounds...

Lazur: Like barracks and all depends how many you had in the family. You got so many rooms. I remember even the union hall, they made like, apartments out of that and people lived in that.

Barrett: But I'm wondering if maybe, uh, during the strike, the company just threw people out of the houses.

Lazur: I don't know just why we had to move. Oh, I think they. They got rid of all they tore all the houses down. This one section was called Michigan Hill. There was about 40 or 50 houses there. Barrett: Yeah. Barrett: And they tore them all down and I think they just left one house up there for a family. That was all. The children were disabled and they left them live in it as long as until they died off.

Barrett: Can you Something I always wondered about. And it's not the kind of thing that you can find out about from a book or anything is, um, what the, what the church's attitude towards, uh, stuff like unions and strikes was and things like that. Can-- You were quite young then, but I mean, do you remember?

Lazur: Wasn't many churches out there. There was a Greek Catholic church out there, the Orthodox. It was an old, just a small church. And then there was one Catholic church and you had to walk to each of these. That's all I remember.

Barrett: So you-- you don't remember if, uh, um, like, if the men were on strike or something, if the priest supported them or thought that was a bad thing. That's--. And you said your dad was a miner all his life then?

Lazur: Yeah. Well, yeah, till he came, like, in maybe when I was about 6 or 7 years old. So I would say. How old would I been when I was about six. Subtract six years from 1914. Barrett: Yeah. Uh, six is 14. Lazur: About 1912.

Barrett: Yeah.

Barrett: Yeah. Even earlier. Even earlier, around 1908 I'd say.

Lazur: About 1910 he's been farming, up until he retired.

Barrett: And when he, uh, you said first he he got that job in, like, a cement works in, in Universal. How-- do you know how your mom and dad made that, made that connection? I mean, like, why-- How he was able to get a job or

Barrett: why he came.

Lazur: They had friends that, uh, used to visit, and I guess they told him about a job, and then they come out, you know, they got like a company house and they lived in that until we bought the farm.

Barrett: Did he know about that before he even came from the old country, or did he just come over first and then look for a job?

Lazur: Well, I guess he had friends here. Maybe they corresponded and, you know, found out that there were most of them figured they'd get something to do here, which would be much better than they had over there.

Barrett: I guess that much is probably right too, but yeah. So your mom, in addition to the stuff that, um, every mother has to do, also had to do a lot of farm work. Yeah. Work with animals and stuff like that.

Lazur: Yeah.

Lazur: Even I milked a cow once mother was sick, so I had to go up and milk her.

Barrett: But normally she would do that?

Lazur: Yeah, she would do that, or my father. But mostly she would do it. Well, we just had it like one cow or two, just for our own use. We didn't do any more than that, you know. Barrett: When

your dad got up so early in the morning like that, did everybody get up with him? Can you remember? Or did he.

Lazur: No, he'd get up and my mother would get up, I guess get his breakfast and pack his lunch bucket. And then we kids would get up, you know, just time to go to school.

Barrett: What was the school like?

Lazur: Oh, they had one building which had about four rooms in it. And, uh, outside toilets, no running water. We had a pump. And then there was, uh, gradually they got like one room houses all around this one room schools, like, you know. Barrett: Yeah. Lazur: And there was four in there and then they had one one, two, three. There was like eight grades. And if you went to high school you had to travel like maybe to Trentham or Etna. But there was no high school there. There is now, but not at that time.

Barrett: And there was no Catholic schools in the area?

Lazur: No, no Catholic schools.

Lazur: They just got Catholic schools there within the last maybe ten years, not even that out there. That was where I lived when I was a child.

Barrett: Did you say that the, uh, place was kind of mixed up or was it-- Was it heavily Slovak or...

Lazur: No, it was everything. We had every nationality under the sun and everything. [phone ringing] Well, excuse me. Barrett: Sure.

Barrett: Okay, I-- You told me a lot about what it was like when you were young. Did you have any children?

Lazur: Yeah, I have one daughter.

Barrett: And where did she end up? Did she stay here or is she away?

Lazur: No, she, uh. She stayed here till she got married, and they lived in Swissvale. Then her husband did research, so they moved to Watertown, Massachusetts. Then they moved to New Jersey. And now she's living in Wisconsin. Hm.

Barrett: And what did, uh... What did her husband do?

Lazur: Well, he has a doctorate in metallurgy and materials science, so he did research, and she has her master's. She did, uh, she took biology. Biology and natural sciences. She got a fellowship for that.

Barrett: Did she go to Pitt to begin with?

Lazur: No. She went to Chatham for four years, and then she got her master's at Carnegie Tech. And her husband was formerly from North Carolina.

Barrett: And where-- did she meet him at Carnegie?

Lazur: Yeah, Carnegie, yeah.

Barrett: A lady that I talked to yesterday and I hope I don't have all the schools and churches mixed up, but, um, her name is Lesko.

Lazur: Yeah Mrs. Lesko.

Lazur: My friend, yeah.

Barrett: And she was telling me about the, um, school. Did your daughter go to that school or did she just go-- Did she go to public school? It was a, um. I think Greek Catholic or. No, I'm sorry. Maybe it was Russian.

Lazur: No, she's-- They belong-- They're Greek Catholic, too. But they're not Orthodox. They belong like the Romans. She must have gone to Saint John's, her kids.

Barrett: So that-- her-- Her church would be like, uh, a Greek rite within the-- Lazur: Yes.

He went to western and eastern rites there under the pope. But we're not. I see. We're Orthodox. And they're like. They're more like the Romans.

Barrett: Did your school have a-- I mean, sorry, did your church have a school then or--

Lazur: Oh, no, I see, well, I didn't live here since she's probably lived here a lot longer since she's married. I, I have only lived here since I'm married. Yeah, we went. I went to school out in Curtisville and my daughter went here, but she went to a public school.

Barrett: Public school? Yeah. Yeah.

Lazur: She started out at, um. The one on Homestead Duquesne Road. Franklin School was an old building, and they just had about six rooms. And then when they got through the sixth grade, then they moved over to Woodlawn.

Barrett: Yeah.

Lazur: Did you hear about Woodlawn?

Barrett: I don't know anything about it.

Lazur: No. Woodlawn is up in the park. And then, uh, Woodlawn. Then she went to Lower Munhall on 12th Avenue.

Barrett: And then what high school did she go to? Lazur: On 12th Avenue. Barrett: That's--

Lazur: That's the one was the select

Lazur: junior high school. And then 12th Avenue was a senior high school.

Barrett: I haven't asked any other people I've been talking to, but, um... Your dad was a miner and now you're your daughter, you know, has her master's degree and is married to a guy with a doctorate and everything. How did you-- Why do you think that happened? I mean, how do you, um, feel about education and...

Lazur: Well, we would have liked to have one, but our parents were poor, and we couldn't, uh, send us anywhere to go to school. We were lucky. Most of the children in our neighborhood even quit school. You know, some of them didn't even finish eighth grade as soon as they were 16 or something. They all got working certificates that they could go out and help their parents. And I myself went to work at an early age.

Barrett: But, um. Do you think that, uh, um, your ideas about an education had any effect on what your daughter did or--.

Do you think.

Lazur: Yeah, I said yeah. She-- Well, she was an honors student right along. Always made high honor roll. And I figured, well, with that, she should put it to use you know. Barrett: Yeah. Lazur: So we did all we could to be able to send her, you know. And I'm not just having [inaudible].

Barrett: And that's hard, I guess. Cause, uh, my brother just, um, finished his doctorate, you know, And I'm working on mine now. And my dad is a policeman in Chicago, and I think sometimes they, uh, you know, they wonder how all of it happened and everything, but...

Lazur: Yeah, well, we just didn't have the opportunities. And, I mean, everything progresses, you know. Barrett: Yeah.

Barrett: This. This is kind of a hard question, but, um, even if it's just in a general way, how do you think Homestead has changed from the time that you first saw it? You know, like from the time that you came here to now?

Lazur: Well, I know I worked up in I worked in Pittsburgh and my first, first impression of Homestead, I know we were going over to visit. I was going over to visit somebody in West West Mifflin. And this nurse friend of mine was with me and she said, Oh, this is the new Homestead Bridge. It just opened up, you know, we went over it and then we went to West Elizabeth. And when we got married, we just lived down like near the river on Third Avenue. Barrett: Yeah. Lazur: And they were just in the midst of tearing all those homes down there to make room for the mills. They expanded and they also build that project in West-- Hazelwood on top of the hill. Barrett: Yeah, I know what you mean. Lazur: And all those houses were sold. So then we, my-- my husband's parents bought up in Homestead Park near where Saint Mary's Cemetery is. You know where that's at?

Barrett: Yes.

Lazur: And, uh, Duquesne Road and all this up here. This was all farms, this project up here. I guess we're here 15 years. So I would say this is about 20 years since this is built up. And there were not many new homes. And it just seems after the war that people started to build and buy houses. And I know we looked at houses when my first husband, I mean, when my husband first came out of the service and homes at that time were, say, like about nine five and everybody said so don't buy one that's too expensive. They'll come down and they've really gone up about $1,000 each year.

Barrett: Yeah, it seems strange.

Lazur: And uh, well, there's a lot of new buildings and a new mill. And of course, New Glen Hazel Bridge.

Barrett: And when did-- When did that, uh, new bridge go up?

Do you remember?

Lazur: Oh, that must be there about ten years or more. I'm not-- I'm not so sure any more.

Barrett: And when did you say it was-- it was that you first came to Homestead when you got married?

Lazur: 1941.

Barrett: 1941. Do you remember, um, what the town itself-- I mean-- I mean by the town, I mean like Eighth Street and down near the river. What that was like and how it's changed at all.

Lazur: Well, I mean. Well, they put some new stores in, and of course, all that was taken up by the mill and those new churches were built. I'm trying to think what else. But most of the buildings are pretty old and Eighth Avenue outside, maybe being remodeled with a few additions of stores and that it's almost the same, I would say.

Barrett: Because, uh. Sometimes when you look at it, it really looks, uh, you know, a lot of things are closing up and it looks like a tired old town.

Lazur: All these shopping centers around, you know, a lot of people go out to shop at Homestead. I don't know. It doesn't seem like there's too many people there. Barrett: Yeah, well... Lazur: Like, they closed even like there was a lot of grocery store there even going on like around Kennywood Kroger's left and amps out there now and then there's a shopping center in West Homestead, you know that Shop and Save. Barrett: Shop and Save. Yeah.

Lazur: And a lot of the a lot of the things are going out and there isn't too much shopping I don't think goes on because of course I don't go out that much anymore now. But uh, a lot of people go to town and...

Barrett: When they tore down all that old stuff down towards the river, the, the housing that you were talking about and the people had to move out, where did those people move to?

Lazur: Well, a lot of them went to the project. Glen Hazel Project. If you made a certain amount of money, I think I don't know if it was like that. And a lot of people just relocated like up in the park and most of them went to the park and maybe to Homeville, West Mifflin. West Mifflin was built up. It was just nothing but farms too. And and they build a lot of homes and new schools.

Barrett: Was that kind of, uh, did that seem like a move up to people? You know, I mean, if they were, were like making more money or had money saved and...

Lazur: Yeah, everything boomed then, you know.

Barrett: Yeah.

Lazur: Well, a lot of them just bought older homes or what they can afford, you know. Depends what they got like for their homes, you know.

Barrett: Was that Glen Hazel project? Did that end up being a lot of people that-- that were working in the mill then.

Lazur: Yeah then they build a project down here too.

Lazur: Munhall Homestead. Sure. You've seen this going up here, haven't you?

Barrett: Uh, is it. Is it on West End?

Lazur: Yeah. You've come on out here you can...[tape ends]