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Collection Inventory

Series I. Interviews, 1995-1999

Scope and Content Notes:

The audio cassettes are arranged alphabetically.


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Cassette 1 Aarons, Al- November 27, 1999

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Cassette 2 Arter, Carl- October 5, 1995

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Cassette 3 Austin, Charles E.- August 2, 1995

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Cassette 4 Austin, Will- July 15, 1997

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Cassette 5 Barnett, David- March 13, 1997

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Cassette 6 Betters, Harold- March 22, 1996

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Cassettes 7, 8 Betters, Jerry- July 1-2, 1997

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Cassette 9 Boswell, Bobby- April 22, 1996

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Cassette 10 Brooks, Alyce- June 24, 1997

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Cassette 11 Brooks, Cecil II- October 24, 1995

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Cassette 12 Burns, Bill- July 29, 1998

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Cassette 13 Cook, Adolph D.- August 12, 1998

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Cassette 14 Cotton, Bill- February 29, 1996

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Cassettes 15, 16 Cottrell, Chuck- January 29, 1997

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Cassette 17 Dunn, Nathaniel (Tinky)- September 19, 1997

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Cassette 18 Elliott, Jerry- July 25, 1997

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Cassette 19 Fisher, Kenny- July 28, 1997

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Cassette 20 Gambrell, Bill- May 8, 1995

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Cassette 21 Hardy, Rubye Younge- December 10, 1996

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Cassette 22 Harper, Walt- July 21, 1997

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Cassette 23 Harris, Joe, 1926- December 6, 1995

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Cassette 24 Harris, Joseph Jr. 1928- August 7, 1998

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Cassette 25 Henderson, Pete- March 8, 1998

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Cassette 26 Hill, Herman- September 23, 1997

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Cassette 27, 28 Holt, Harold K.- February 13, 1996

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Cassettes 29, 30 Hughes, John
April 14, 1996
May 25, 1996

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Cassette 31 Humphries, Lawrence- July 8, 1997

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Cassette 32 Humphries, Roger- August 8, 1998

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Cassette 33 Jones, Roy- March 12, 1998

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Cassette 34 Kelly, Marcus- April 16, 1996

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Cassette 35 Kemp, Jesse- December 15, 1997

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Cassette 36 Kennedy, Joe Jr.- September 1998

Audio-cabinet 3-5
Cassettes 37, 38 Laley, Dan- November 2, 1996

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Cassette 39 Lee, Dave- March 6, 1998

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Cassette 40 Lee, Harold- July 3, 1997

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Cassette 41 McCown, Frank- July 16, 1997

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Cassette 42 McDaniel, Tommy- March 9, 1998

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Cassettes 43, 44 McKay, Delsey- March 31, 1997

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Cassette 45 McMahon, William "Bass"- August 24, 1995

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Cassette 46 Moody, Willis- August 22, 1997

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Cassette 47 Murphy, Carl ("Tape is completely blank.")

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Cassette 48 Nance, Art- October 5, 1998

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Cassette 49 Nelson, Frank- July 26, 1998

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Cassette 50 Odum, Joe- September 17, 1997

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Cassette 51 Patton, Joe- July 25, 1998

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Cassette 52 Payne, James- July 31, 1998

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Cassette 53 Pryor, Fred- July 29, 1997

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Cassette 54 Smith, Eldridge- July 10, 1997

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Cassettes 55, 56 Spalding, George Duke
June 28, 1995
October 2, 1997

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Cassette 57 Steath, Ollie- July 19, 1997

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Cassette 58 Thomas, John- May 27, 1997

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Cassettes 59, 60 Thompson, George
Feburary 23, 1996
December 3, 1997

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Cassette 61 Turrentine, Stanley- November 23, 1997

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Cassette 62 Watson, Judge Warren- February 10, 1997

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Cassette 63 Webster, Robin- September 25, 1997

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Cassette 64 Westray, Joe- November 13, 1997

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Cassettes 65-72 Young, Curtis
June 9, 1995
August 25, 1995
September 20, 1995
Feburary 19, 1996
March 29, 1996
June 17, 1997
August 13, 1997
November 28, 1997

Series II. Transcripts, 1995-1999


Box 1
Folder 1 Aaron, Al interviewed by Charles E. Austin, November 27, 1999

Aarons, Albert, a trumpet player who performed in Pittsburgh and recorded music in California. Arter, Carl, a saxophone and piano player who performed in Pittsburgh and was a Local 471 President; [T1S1] Pittsburgh bands; racism in Oklahoma; MGM contract; dance hall; intimidation of New York City; Silvertones; other musicians; Nate Harper’s band; transcription jobs; [T1S2] other musicians; touring; record shop and recording studio; reuniting with old musician friends; family and music; childhood and beginning piano; day jobs; relationships with other musicians; Jazz Beat Show.

[T1S1] Beginning music; joining Local 471; musical inspiration; Army; racism; day jobs; jazz band in high school; big bands; Local 471 politics; advice to younger musicians; recording in California; advice for studio recording.

Folder 2 Arter, Carl interviewed by Charles E. Austin, October 5, 1995

Arter, Carl, a saxophone and piano player who performed in Pittsburgh and was a Local 471 President.

[T1S1] Pittsburgh bands; racism in Oklahoma; MGM contract; dance hall; intimidation of New York City; Silvertones; other musicians; Nate Harper’s band; transcription jobs.

[T1S2] Other musicians; touring; record shop and recording studio; reuniting with old musician friends; family and music; childhood and beginning piano; day jobs; relationships with other musicians; Jazz Beat Show.

Folder 3 Austin, Charles E. interviewed by Cathy Cairns, August 2, 1995

Austin, Charles E., a trumpeter who toured with Lloyd Price, his own band in Pittsburgh, and stayed involved with the Musicians’ Union after the merger.

[T1S1] Childhood and music; high school band; Navy; Union camaraderie; Carnival; studying music; touring with Lloyd Price; competition between bands; Chuck Austin Quintet; rehearsal bands; childhood inspiration; reading music; merger and pensions; old Musicians’ Club.

[T1S2] Jam sessions; club associate members; advice to younger musicians; influence on younger musicians; importance of rehearsal bands and reading music; changes in music business; effect of recordings.

Folder 4 Austin, Wilbert interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 15, 1997

Austin, Will, a trumpeter who played for the National Guard for six years, played and composed music in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Junior and high school musical career; National Guard; studying and writing music; National Guard; studying music; Union; musical composition and recordings; Union and Musicians’ Club; studying music; different horn models and quality.

[T1S2] New Years performances; work and pensions; performing with other musicians; advice for younger musicians.

Folder 5 Barnett, David interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 13, 1997

Barnett, David, a trumpet and baritone horn player who was a bandleader and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Local 471 history; joining the union; best moments of performing; beginning music; Army; trumpet players; Barnett’s band; Local 471 politics; performing at AFL-CIO merge convention; other musicians; Union merger; touring and the black theater circuit; switching to baritone and performances.

[T1S2] Barnett’s band; relatives; Elks band members; old Musicians’ Club; booking jobs and rival bandleaders; other musicians; AAJPSP oral history project; performing at sporting events.

Folder 6 Betters, Harold interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 22, 1996

Bettors, Harold, a trombone player who was a bandleader and performed in Pittsburgh, New York and Washington D.C.

[T1S1] Musical family; joining Local 471; Army; Musicians’ Club history; Army; touring with band and importance of traveling; suburban high school music programs; booking jobs; music schools; early performances in Pittsburgh; problems with Union; Union members.

[T1S2] purpose of AAJPSP oral history project; current Union politics.

Folder 7 Betters, Jerry interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 1, 1997

Bettors, Jerry (July 1, 1997) a percussionist and charismatic band leader who had a popular club in Pittsburgh after his time touring and performing in New York.

[T1S1] music and childhood; Local 471, Local 60 and their merger; racism in the clubs; playing at Pittsburgh clubs; Jerry Bettors Club; meeting Frank Sinatra; performing in New York; friendship with Anne Baker; drums studio in New York.

[T1S2] advice to younger musicians; inspirational musicians; camaraderie between musicians; old Club; significance of oral histories project; importance of racial inclusion among musicians

Folder 8 Betters, Jerry interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 2, 1997

Bettors, Jerry (July 2, 1997) a percussionist and charismatic band leader who had a popular club in Pittsburgh after his time touring and performing in New York.

[T1S1] owning his club; importance of being qualified; younger musicians; singers and other musicians; learning in New York City; advice to younger musicians; musical influence; carnival circuit and musical endurance.

Folder 9 Boswell, Robert interviewed by Charles E. Austin, April 22, 1996

Boswell, Bobby, a bass player who performed with Billie Holiday and in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music; early band; joining Local 471; Local 471 and members; jam sessions; other musicians; Army; Billie Holiday’s Band; returning to Pittsburgh; Local 471 officers; playing to audience; Walt Harper’s Band; transcription jobs.

[T1S2] Touring with Bradshaw; other musicians; old Musicians’ Club importance and layout; downtown clubs; racial tensions between bands; Union merger; changes audience and music; other musicians; Union merger; society bands expectations.

Folder 10 Brooks, Alyce interviewed by Cathy Cairns, June 24, 1997

Brooks, Alyce, a pianist and singer who performed her solo act in lounges in Pittsburgh and around the U.S.

[T1S1] Childhood; performing in Pittsburgh and Chicago; Pittsburgh lounges; greatest achievement; the Convention; proudest moment; advice for younger musicians; reading music.

[T1S2] Esteemed musicians and Union members; favorite songs; advice from mother; meeting Erroll Garner.

Folder 11 Brooks, Cecil II interviewed by George Thompson, October 24, 1995

[T1S1] beginning music playing piano, then drums; joining Local 471 and playing professionally; touring in Ohio; playing with Bobby Jones; relationshipo with Local 471; Musician's club; difficulty musically succeeding in Pittsburgh; racism in Pittsburgh; disgust with Union; economic problems affect availability of jobs; monetary corruption; advice to younger musicians; importance of drummer in a band.

Folder 12 Burns, Bill interviewed by George Thompson, July 29, 1998

Burns, Bill, a guitar player from a musical family who performed in New York and was a band leader in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and beginning music; time in the Army; performing in New York; Union 802; joining Local 471; starting band; mentor; playing in Pittsburgh; new Musicians’ Club; childhood inspirations; importance of practicing; Pittsburgh clubs.

[T1S2] Lessons and reading music; musical influence; performing for church; quitting and returning; Union politics and merger; transcription jobs; being a band leader; importance of traveling; other musicians; advice for younger musicians.

Folder 13 Cook, Adolph Doug interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 12, 1998

Cook, Adolph Doug, piano player who was a bandleader in the Army, and performed in Pittsburgh and Michigan.

[T1S1] Beginning music; Army; territory bands; relationship with Local 471 members; the Musician’s Club; WPA Bands; segregation in the Army; enlisting in the Army.

[T1S2] Other piano players and bands; performing in Pittsburgh; other musicians and style of playing; Local 56 (Grand Rapids); performing in Michigan; advice to younger musicians; performing for weddings.

Folder 14 Cotton, William interviewed by Charles E. Austin, February 29, 1996

Cotton, William, a piano player and singer who was a bandleader and performed in Pittsburgh. [T1S1] Beginning music; learning from musicians; joining a union; time in the service; music school in Pittsburgh; performing in Pittsburgh; early exposure to music; touring; photographs; booking jobs; Local 471 members and Pittsburgh clubs.

[T1S2] Downtown clubs; problems with Local 471; Union merger; Local 471 officers; Pittsburgh clubs; bandleader responsibilities; 50 year card and Union pension; playing to the crowd; Union merge and loss of musicians; racial relations and clubs.

Folder 15 Cottrell, Charles interviewed by Charles E. Austin, January 29, 1997

Cottrell, Charles, a piano player who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Music and childhood; Army; learning from musicians; influential musicians; Local 471 clique; performing in Pittsburgh; traveling; changes from the Union merge. [T1S2] Post-merger politics; transcription jobs; advice to younger musicians; carnival shows; importance of fellowship and sharing with younger musicians; touring; Local 471 officers; significance of musician fellowship and playing music;

[T2S1] performing in Pittsburgh clubs; other musicians.

Folder 16 Dunn, Nathaniel "Tinky" interviewed by Charles E. Austin, September 19, 1997

Dunn, Nathaniel “Tinky,” a bass player who joined the Union in 1939, had a band and played in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Music in childhood and lessons; playing in Pittsburgh clubs in early years; relationship with union members; transcription and WPA Bands; New Union and MPT; Dunn’s first group; writing music; religion and childhood; old club; history of union and members. [T1S2] Importance of reading music; involvement in Union; effects of new club; playing in Pittsburgh clubs; teaching music and Austin’s (Interviewer) childhood; advice for younger musicians; gospel music.

Folder 17 Elliot, Jerry interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 25, 1997

Elliott, Jerry, a trombone player who began playing piano while in the service, played piano and wrote music in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Junior and high school musical career; time in the Army; Joe Westray’s Band; brass instrument mouthpiece technique; the Union and the Musicians’ Club; piano and trombone; writing music; difference between old and new Club; playing with other musicians.

[T1S2] Special gigs; Pittsburgh’s Musicians’ Club comparison; disparity between inner-city and suburban schools; lack of leadership in young generation; drug problems; daytime jobs; importance of upbringing; technique players; advice for younger musicians.

Folder 18 Fisher, Kenny interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 28, 1997

Fisher, Kenny, a tenor saxophone player who wrote music and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music; Union merge; East Liberty Musicians’ Club and musicians; private lessons; bands and Local 471 members; big bands; influential musicians; Union merge politics; traveling; teaching music to young students.

[T1S2] Jazz sessions; high school years; father’s musical career; bands and bandleader.


Box 2
Folder 1 Gambrell, William interviewed by Charles E. Austin, May 8, 1995

Grambrell, Bill, a piano player who was an active member of the Local 471 and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] History of Local 471; Local 471 politics; performing in Pittsburgh; racism on the job; Union pensions; involvement in the Union; performing in high school. [T1S2] Performing in Pittsburgh; racism at the Moose; Union pensions and gold cards; Union merger and politics; importance of professionalism, appearance, and adapting to the audience.

Folder 2 Hardy, Ruby Younge interviewed by Charles E. Austin, December 10, 1996

Hardy, Ruby Younge, a piano and organ player who performed in Pittsburgh clubs and Ebenezer Church.

[T1S1] Childhood and playing music; joining Local 471 and Musicians’ Club; trio and booking jobs; other musicians; being Local 471’s secretary; record keeping and Union merge; performing in downtown Pittsburgh; performing with Honeyboy Minor; race relations in downtown clubs.

[T1S2] Other musicians; education; importance of reading music; Local 471 officer politics; teaching music; performing in church; other musicians; Union merge politics; musician friends; problems after Union merge; transcription jobs.

Folder 3 Harper, Walt interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 21, 1997

Harper, Walt, a pianist and bandleader who performed in Pittsburgh and owned two clubs (Attic and Harper’s).

[T1S1] Musical family and beginning music; early jobs and traveling; racism; composing music; relationship with Local 471 and members; Musicians’ Club camaraderie; club ownership; tearing down Hill District for Civic Arena; Bamboola; camaraderie in Hill District.

[T1S2] Musicians’ Club and moving to East Liberty; importance of reading music; being a bandleader; group dynamics; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 4 Harris, Joseph interviewed by Charles E. Austin, December 6, 1995

Harris, Joseph (December 6, 1995), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh, around the United States and in Europe.

[T1S1] Playing and performing in high school; time in the Army; balancing club, school and steel mill work; private lessons; Pittsburgh clubs; Local 471; Union merger.

[T1S2] Racism; driving home from gigs; camaraderie in old Musicians’ Club; problem with Union member; inspirational musicians; Local 471 camaraderie; importance of day job; advice for younger musicians.

Folder 5 Harris, Joseph Jr. interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 7, 1998

Harris, Joseph Jr. (August 7, 1998), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh, around the United States and in Europe.

[T1S1] Beginning music and playing in Pittsburgh; performing in Chicago; traveling around the United States; performing in Europe; Local 471 musicians and camaraderie; high school music programs; music proving a fulfilling life; other musicians; performing and learning in Pittsburgh.

[T1S2] Family; private lessons; importance of reading; changes in music; Union merge politics; race relations; time in Sweden; importance of being prepared and self image; problems after Union merge; golf.

Folder 6 Henderson, Pete interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 8, 1998

Henderson, Pete, a trumpeter who played in the Service, toured with Pearl Bailey, and played in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Acquiring a trumpet and private lessons; high school jazz ensemble; time in the Service; performing in his youth; camaraderie of the Union; tour with Pearl Bailey; playing in Pittsburgh clubs.

[T1S2] Racial discrimination at Volkiens; musical influences; changes in jazz; effects of losing old Club; the Pittsburgh sound; Union merger; boat touring; teaching music; advice for younger musicians.

Folder 7 Hill, Herman interviewed by Charles E. Austin, September 23, 1997

Hill, Herman, a trombone and baritone horn player who performed in Pittsburgh and New York and worked for the Courier and the New York Times.

[T1S1] High school and joining union; Local 802 (New York); Navy; Local 471; moving to New York; Local 471 members and Musicians’ Club; private lessons; Navy responsibilities; childhood memories; touring; Pittsburgh clubs; integration from merger.

[T1S2] Union merger and tensions; history of Musicians’ Club; returning from New York after merger; childhood inspirations; playing for Mellon’s Band; musical style and importance of doubling; other musicians; Charles’s (interviewer) jobs after merger; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 8 Hughes, John interviewed by Ms. Yamu, April 4, 1996

Hughes, John, (April 4, 1996), a piano player who performed in Pittsburgh and was also a teacher.

[T1S1] Beginning music and family; joining Local 471; about Local 471; other jobs; Pittsburgh clubs; teaching and performing; jazz and Pittsburgh; writing music; staying in Pittsburgh and relationship with traveling musicians; WPA band history; old Musicians’ Club; Local 471 officers; education and performing.

[T1S2] Differences between Musicians’ Clubs; difference between Local 60 and Local 471; preparing to perform; other musicians; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 9 Hughes, John interviewed by Ms. Yamu, May 25, 1996

Hughes, John, (May 25, 1996), a piano player who performed in Pittsburgh and was also a teacher.

[T1S1] Education; interest in music; significance of jazz; favorite music; first professional job; private clubs versus public locations; current Pittsburgh clubs; importance of practicing.

Folder 10 Humphries, Lawrence interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 8, 1997

Humphries, Lawrence, a tenor saxophone and clarinet player who composed music and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; playing in Pittsburgh; uncles’ influence and musicians’ legacy; performers in Pittsburgh; uncles in New York; composing music; brother Roger; time in New York; family; Local 471.

[T1S2] Enlisting in the Air Force; moving to New York; studying music; doubling; advice to younger musicians; Charles’s (interviewer) working after Union merger; importance of studying music; family responsibilities.

Folder 11 Humphries, Roger interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 8, 1998

Humphries, Roger, a drummer who began performing at a young age, toured and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; family inspiration; camaraderie with older musicians; purpose of JPS oral histories; rehearsal bands and teaching music; East Liberty Club; performing in Pittsburgh; drum playing style; Pittsburgh’s notoriety; importance of education and a job; enjoyment from performing.

[T1S2] Union merger court case; merger tensions; quitting the Union; inspirational drummers; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 12 Jones, Roy interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 12, 1997

Jones, Roy, a trumpet player who performed the National Guard Band and in Pittsburgh with the Fitzpatrick brothers.

[T1S1] Music in high school; National Guard Band; the Fitzpatrick brothers and joining Local 471; performing, arranging and learning; old Musicians’ Club camaraderie; clubs on the Northside; quitting playing; inspirational musicians; advice to younger musicians; clubs and musicians.

[T1S2] Camaraderie and maintaining relationships with musicians; benefits of learning an instrument; difficulties of aging and performing; performing and adapting to individual clubs; camaraderie in black neighborhoods of Pittsburgh; music as an escape; younger generation.

Folder 13 Kelly, Marcus interviewed by Charles E. Austin, April 16, 1996

Kelly, Marcus, a bass player who was a bandleader and performed in Pittsburgh.\

[T1S1] Pay scale; beginning music; Army; Local 471; traveling; bands; Pittsburgh clubs; musicians and substance abuse; being a bandleader.

[T1S2] Being a bandleader; Musicians’ Club, members and history; teaching music; pensions and insurance; younger musicians; Local 471 camaraderie; importance of reading music.

Folder 14 Kemp, Jesse interviewed by Cathy Cairns, December 15, 1997

Kemp, Jesse, a pianist and percussionist who was exposed to jazz by his older brother DeRuyter “Ducky” Kemp, performed jazz and Christian music in Pittsburgh and participated in opposition to the Union merger.

[T1S1] Music and childhood; inspiration; exposure to jazz and union through brother; time in army and post office; re-interest in jazz scene; playing at Pittsburgh clubs; studying at the University of Pittsburgh; Christian education; changes in jazz; involvement in Christian music. [T1S2] Opposition to Union merger; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 15 Kennedy, Joe Jr. interviewed by himself, September 1998

Kennedy, Joe Jr., a violinist who performed in Pittsburgh as a youth, performed for the Army and Richmond Symphony, and toured internationally.

[T1S1] Childhood and musical family; studying music; time in army band; Musicians’ Club and union members; touring with Four Strings; Richmond Symphony; international touring; university positions; esteemed Local 471 members.

Folder 16 Laley, Daniel interviewed by Charles E. Austin, November 2, 1996

Laley, Dan, a bass player who performed in Pittsburgh and around the United States.

[T1S1] Beginning music; touring; Army; band members; musicians.

[T1S2] Importance of being versatile; gifts of musical career; jam sessions; importance of touring; performing with great musicians.

Folder 17 Lee, Dave interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 6, 1998

Lee, David, a percussionist who learned from experience with jazz musicians, worked during the day and performed at Pittsburgh clubs at night.

[T1S1] Learning from musicians; musicians’’ appearance; time in the Navy; Union members; ballgames and volunteering; politics with touring; playing at Pittsburgh clubs; Union members.

[T1S2] Musicians’ pensions; burden of heavy instruments; advice to younger musicians; reading music; role models.

Folder 18 Lee, Harold interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 3, 1997

Lee, Harold, a percussionist and fifty year Union member who began playing in the 40s in the Pittsburgh area, traveled with the Navy Band until 1946 when he returned and continued to perform in the Pittsburgh area. [T1S1] First performance; participation in Langley High School band; private lessons; traveling with the Navy Band; playing at Pittsburgh clubs; the Union clique; the Club; younger musicians; reading music; mechanical vs. natural musicianship; the theater circuit; expected price for performances; childhood inspiration; performing with the Carnival.

[T1S2] Children’s participation in music; the WPA band; MPT funds; Local 471 officers; the Union merger; advice to younger musicians; Union inclusion of African American musicians in publicized performances; gospel music; biographical information; fifty year card.

Folder 19 McCown, Frank interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 16, 1997

McCown, Frank, a saxophone player who was a bandleader and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] High school band; Navy; private lessons; being a bandleader; college; Local 471 Big Band; Musicians’ Club relocation; performing with other bands; being band leader; Union dues; musicians.

[T1S2] Recording music; booking gigs; territory bands; Union merge politics; advice to younger musicians; rehearsal bands.

Folder 20 McDaniel, Tommy interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 9, 1998

McDaniel, Tommy, a bass player who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Music and high school; joining Local 471 and Union members; family; Pittsburgh clubs; importance of reading and writing music; Union merger; hopes of continuing jazz tradition; results of Union merger; significance of Pittsburgh jazz; performing in Pittsburgh; pension program; inspirational performers; reputation of Pittsburgh performers.

[T1S2] Other musicians; quitting performing; Los Angeles performers; power of music; advice to younger musicians; impressions of Musicians’ Club and Union; great musicians.

Folder 21 McKay, Delsey interviewed by Cathy Cairns, March 31, 1997

McKay, Delsey, a pianist and contortionist who had a popular variety act in Pittsburgh for over twenty years, studied at Julliard, toured Europe, and conducted historical research.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; high school activities; amateur hour; beginning show business; unique variety act; surgery and invention of coat hanger act; performing piano; joining Local 60; joining Local 471; racism and moving to Hill District; Lonnie Fisher’s death; performing in Oakland; band leader.

[T1S2] Studying at Duquesne University; New York City and studying at Julliard; London and recordings; death of Martin Luther King Jr.; competing in international music festivals; involvement with American Bicentennial Artists’ Day; history of Ben Banaka; Banaka’s grandmother’s life in England.

[T2S1] Banaka family’s history in U.S.; importance of representation in Washington D.C.; McKay’s family’s involvement in Civil War; hope that Washington D.C. becomes state.

Folder 22 McMahon, William "Bass" interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 24, 1995

McMahon, Bass, a bass player who performed in Pittsburgh and around the United States.

[T1S1] Early bands and musicians; joining Local 471; touring and performing with bands; great performers; importance of traveling; current musician relationship; plan for reunion; bands; importance of reading music; loss of musician camaraderie.

[T1S2] Generational differences.


Box 3
Folder 1 Moody, Willis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 22, 1997

Moody, Willis, a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Army; audition test and joining Local 471; Local 471 Big Band; performing in Pittsburgh; traveling; old Musicians’ Club; transcription jobs; playing downtown; Local 471 camaraderie; moving club to East Liberty; Union merger politics; racism in Miami.

[T1S2] High school band and lessons; Local 471 members.

Folder 2 Murphy, Carl interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 5, 1997

Murphy, Carl, a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and beginning music; Army; joining Local 471; differences between Musicians’ Clubs; being a bandleader; paying dues; listen to others and learning to read music; bands; musician camaraderie; Local 60 social club and merger politics.

[T1S2] Union merger politics; Union meetings; effect of the merge; jobs and experience; advice to younger musicians; musicians; similar Union merges; importance of racial heterogeneous musical groups.

Folder 3 Nance, Art interviewed by Charles E. Austin, October 5, 1998

Nance, Art, a saxophone player who played in the Army, performed with Walt Harper’s Band and was band leader of Art Nance and the Five Deuces.

[T1S1] Childhood and father’s musical inspiration; performing in high school; performing in Army; joining Local 471 and advice from older musicians; joining the Army.

[T1S2] Performing with Walt Harper and Joe Westray; Union merger politics; advice to younger musicians; musical inspiration.

Folder 4 Nelson, Frank interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 26, 1998

Nelson, Frank, a saxophone player who performed in Pittsburgh with the Silvertones and later with the Bach Choir.

[T1S1] Beginning music; Local 471 Big Band; performing in Pittsburgh; loss of teeth and ending music career; high school band; Silvertones; audition test and joining Local 471; uncle Norman Ball and musical inspiration; working in a music store; Big Band members.

[T1S2] Local 471 members and history; advice to younger musicians; singing with Bach Choir.

Folder 5 Odum, Joe interviewed by Charles E. Austin, September 17, 1997

Odum, Joe, a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Studying music; joining the union; performing at Pittsburgh clubs; changes in music; Union merge and importance of staying in Union; transcription and MTP jobs; vaudeville style performers; value of recording jazz history.

[T1S2] Charles’s (interviewer) childhood memories; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 6 Patton, Joe interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 25, 1998

Patton, Joe, a trumpet player who performed in Pittsburgh and played in the Navy.

[T1S1]Childhood and lessons; joining Local 471; playing in Pittsburgh; Elks clubs; work, school and performing; carnivals; Local 471 officers; musicians and photograph.

[T1S2] Other musicians; practicing; advice to younger generation.

Folder 7 Payne, James interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July31, 1998

Payne, James, a trumpet and piano player who performed for Elks bands and dance clubs, and arranged music.

[T1S1] Childhood in Uniontown; joining Local 471; beginning music; studying piano and arranging; Elks clubs; old Musicians’ Club; participation in Local 471; musicians in Elks Band; musical influence; other musicians; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 8 Pryor, Fred interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 29, 1997

Pyror, Fred, a drummer and band leader who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Playing in high school; clubs in East Liberty; performing in Pittsburgh; other musicians; cabarets.

[T1S2] Country clubs and formal events; contracts; Union merger; difference after merge; advice to younger musicians; importance of reading; MPT jobs; recording; Local 471 presidents.

Folder 9 Smith, Eldridge interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 10, 1997

Smith, Elderidge, a baritone horn player who performed in the Army, Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

[T1S1]Playing in high school; joining the Army; Union and fifty year card; Army; performing in Pittsburgh; other musicians; concert bands; MTP jobs; black theater circuit; racism in South; clubs in Pittsburgh; alcohol abuse; other musicians.

[T1S2] Inspirational musicians; reputations; friendships made while traveling; family and day job; advice to younger musicians; Union merger politics; payment for performances; band bar tabs.

Folder 10 Spalding, George Duke interviewed by Charles E. Austin, October 2, 1997

Spalding, George Duke, a piano player who grew up in the south, studied a Julliard and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; joining the union; performing in Pittsburgh; studying at Julliard; performing with white band; performance attire; territory band touring; Union earnings and pensions; importance of day job.

[T1S2] Local 471 charter; appearance and jobs; Atlantic City; old Musicians’ Club; Union merger; advice to younger musicians; performing for religious institutions; future of music.

Folder 11 Steath, Ollie interviewed by Charles E. Austin, July 19, 1997

Steath, Ollie, a musician who performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music; performing with group and concert band; Musicians’ Club; Elks Band; father’s life and musical career; transcription jobs; Union merger and quitting playing; Musicians’ Club; importance of preserving jazz history; advice to younger musicians.

Folder 12 Thomas, John interviewed by Charles E. Austin, May 27, 1997

Thomas, John, a piano player who played with the Army and traveled to Europe, and performed in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music; time in Aliquippa; performing in Pittsburgh; time in Army; Local 471 members; day jobs; Pittsburgh clubs and performers; studying at Phileon Music Institute; importance of reading music; other pianists; problems with band members; pension program and responsibilities of bandleaders; treatment of musicians; older Local 471 members.

[T1S2] Mabel Rogers; the Musicians’ Club move; Union merge; MTP jobs; young musicians; being a bandleader; childhood music inspiration; job offer from New York.

Folder 13 Thompson, George interviewed by Charles E. Austin, Feburary 23, 1996

Thompson, George (Feburary 23, 1996), an alto and tenor saxophone player who played with Army band and was a member of the Bobby Jones Trio for twenty eight years in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music and high school band; Army band; joining Local 471; Musicians’ Club and jam sessions; Big Band members; expectations from Union merge; band members; loss of camaraderie; merge politics; importance of other job; younger musicians; touring.

[T1S2] (Distorted discussion); playing to the audience; Elks Band; other musicians; Local 471 clique; other musicians; younger musicians and rehearsal bands.

Folder 14 Thompson, George interviewed by Cathy Cairns, December 3, 1997

Thompson, George (December 3, 1997), an alto and tenor saxophone player who played with Army band and was a member of the Bobby Jones Trio for twenty eight years in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; Army; early bands and traveling; Bobby Jones Trio; R House and other clubs; musical inspiration; Bobby Jones Trio’s cohesiveness; advice to younger musicians; relationship with Union and club; memorable moments; legacy for younger generation.

Folder 15 Turrentine, Stanley interviewed by Charles E. Austin, November 23, 1997

Turrentine, Stanley, a saxophone player who began performing at a young age, performed in Pittsburgh, around the United States, and in Europe.

[T1S1] Musical family and childhood; playing professionally; learning from musicians; touring with Max Roach’s band; brother Tommy Turrentine’s influence; importance of Musicians’ Club; changes in music; touring; expression through music; New York; Tommy’s support; advice to younger musicians.

[T1S2] Other musicians; changes in music; significance of jazz history; AAJPSP Oral Histories Project.

Folder 16 Webster, Robin interviewed by Charles E. Austin, September 25, 1997

Webster, Robin, a saxophone player who played for the Army band and in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Childhood and music; Army band; performing in Pittsburgh and other musicians; proper payment for job; rehearsal bands; loss of camaraderie without old Musicians’ Club; importance of professionalism and respecting elder musicians; other musicians; performing solo and with trios; mentors from Local 471.

[T1S2] Intimidation of other players; importance of dedication and practicing; Pittsburgh style of playing; studying music; advice to younger musicians; Union merger; choosing gigs.

Folder 17 Westray, Joe interviewed by Charles E. Austin, November 13, 1997

Westray, Joe, by Cathy (sister), a guitarist who was a band leader and Local 471 Union president, and owned a club in Pittsburgh.

[T1S1] Beginning music and lessons; Local 471 and Musicians’ Club; arranging music; touring; playing in Pittsburgh; significance of Joe Westray’s Band; other musicians; performance attire; band leader; education; traveling locally with Joe; balancing business and music; Joe’s legacy; starting a music school.

[T1S2] Joe’s dream of a music school; Cathy’s relationship with Joe; importance of training; Joe’s grandson, Ronnie; Musicians’ Club relocation; Union Merger and effects; importance of Old Musicians’ Club; other musicians.

Folder 18 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, June 9, 1995

Young, Curtis, (June 9, 1995), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] History of early union; clubs in the Hill District; Local 471 politics; Union merger politics; importance of historical documents; playing during Great Depression; Local 471 charter; other Pittsburgh musicians.

[T1S2] Other musicians; importance of identifying jazz performers; Union merger politics; value of historical documents; history of clubs and Local 471; present day politics; importance of jazz in black community; creation of bands.

Folder 19 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 25, 1995

Young, Curtis, (August 25, 1995), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] International drumming traditions; importance of reading music; opening Musicians’ Club; WPA bands; Local 471 officer politics; historical information and documents.

[T1S2] AAJPSP organizational matters.

Folder 20 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, September 20, 1995

Young, Curtis, (September 20, 1995), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] Discussion of early Local 471 members (alphabetical list); photographs of musicians.

[T1S2] Other early musicians; Local 471 presidents; performing with bands; importance of early Local 471 history; practice bands; other musicians.

Folder 21 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, Feburary 19, 1996

Young, Curtis, (February 19, 1996), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] Map and location of Hill District clubs; musicians and Pittsburgh clubs. [T1S2] Other musicians; sports and performing; importance of accurate historical information; early Local 471 officers and politics; importance of primary source information.

Folder 22 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, March 29, 1996

Young, Curtis, (March 29, 1996), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] Map and location of Hill District clubs.

[T1S2] Hill District clubs; discussion of research.

Folder 23 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, June 17, 1997

Young, Curtis (June 17, 1997), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] History of African American Musical Society; Elite Serenaders and other musicians from the 20s; Young family history; bee keeping and horticulture.

[T1S2] discussion of group photograph and difficulties of oral history project.

Folder 24 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, August 13, 1997

Young, Curtis, (August 13, 1997), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] Discussion of early Local 471 members (alphabetical list); Local 471 officers; recent musician politics.

[T1S2] Musicians Young performed with; opening Musicians’ Club; Local 471 officers; musicians and bandleaders; beginnings of jazz; corruption in Union.

Folder 25 Young, Curtis interviewed by Charles E. Austin, November 28, 1997

Young, Curtis (November 28, 1997), a drummer who performed in Pittsburgh discusses early history of Local 471.

[T1S1] Pittsburgh bands and performers; oral histories project and archives; Pittsburgh performers; importance of preserving jazz history.

[T1S2] Importance of correct information; process of preserving oral histories; Local 471 charter and Union cards; Pittsburgh clubs and organizations; jazz and Union politics.

Series III. Project Working Files and Background Organizational Records, 1906-1999


Box 4
Folder 1 Correspondence Concerning AAJPSP OH Project
Folder 2 AAJPSP OH Project Proposed Partnership with University of Pittsburgh December 3, 1997
Folder 3 Database Report: Table of Interviewers/Interviewees
Folder 4 OH Project Policies and Procedures
Folder 5 Release and Biographical Forms (A-L)
Folder 6 Release and Biographical Forms (M-Z)
Folder 7 Local 471 Members and Information Lists
Folder 8 Photocopies of Sample Membership Cards, Local 471 Musicians' Union
Folder 9 Index to Local 471 Membership Cards
Folder 10 Articles Submitted to The Pittsburgh Musician
Folder 11 Discrimination Civil Action Suit
Folder 12 Jazz Notes,Publication of AAJPSP
Folder 13 Interview Between Curtis Young and Charles E. Austin June 9, 1995
Folder 14 Histories of Local 471 Musicians' Union by Bill Gambrell and Charles E. Austin
Folder 15 Manuscript Draft: The Roots of the African American Musicians' Local 471 of the American Federation of Musicians in the City of Pittsburgh and Beyond by Shakura Ajsabur
Folder 16 Program and Materials for the Back in the Day Celebration